Kirwans in the RIC

Re: Kirwans in the RIC

feeds@yuku.com (DesW) — Wed, 05 Oct 2011 04:00:04 PST

Hi John

Many thanks for that info.

I have my Stephen's DC plus that of Peter White*; and lots more about Stephen. BMD's; routine RIC notices in the papers; census data; media reports of his shooting & death; his widow's successful appeal for increased compensation for his killing ( by Ellen nee Byrne, my Nan), etc. But no RIC official stuff relevant to your brilliant BMD project, sorry.
And, worst of all to me, no photo of Stephen.

On his DC, the authorities (Military Inquiry) named "Peter White* and Wilson Donnelly and other person or persons unknown" as "the armed Sinn Féiners" guilty of Stephen's "willful murder".
{*Peter White - no relation to me - also died the day after the same incident in a hospital bed adjacent to my Grandad}.
My Mam Frances was only 2 (with a little sister on the way) when Stephen was killed. She, her Mam or her 9 siblings never spoke of or told us any real info about his death. I believe now that they...

Re: Kirwans in the RIC

feeds@yuku.com (ballyroughan) — Sat, 17 Sep 2011 21:55:14 PST

Hi, Des.
I thought you may find this interesting, a File i came across in the Catalogue of the National Archives Kew. Ireland: Dublin Castle Records, CO.904/44/17.
-Note to File- ...

Re: Kirwans in the RIC

feeds@yuku.com (DesW) — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 01:47:32 PST

Hi Julia

(Updated on 15 June 2011)
I can help you about 2 of the RIC Kirwans……….

William

William Kirwan was my great grandfather and his son Stephen my grandfather on my mother's side. The info that you have and which Peter supplied corresponds to my own findings.

William came from, as you say, Co Offaly (Ballinvally, Geashill). Born 1840/41, married Catherine Roberts (born 1842/43 Co Carlow)

Re: Kirwans in the RIC

feeds@yuku.com (Peter Mc RIC) — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 15:31:38 PST

Hi Julia. I believe the William Kirwan you refer to had the number 26634 (for future ref - to all posters - please include as much information as possible, particularly if you know the police number). A Stephen Kirwan 58582 did indeed join the RIC. You will need to get the service record though to find out more. This does though, sound like his son. There were two Richard Kirwans (14045 and 30946) that you could try.
You can order a copy of the service record to avoid going to Kew, see Research resources and help notes. I can then help in trying to identify what these are, but they can be very abbreviated. Alternatively SKS could do a look up for you and post the results here - anyone?
The list of awards you mention is probably a photocopy of gallantry medals won by the RIC. It is incomplete and not of much genealogical value unless you have an ancestor who won a medal (Kirwan wasn't one!).

Kirwans in the RIC

feeds@yuku.com (Julia) — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 23:12:14 PST

I'm researching Kirwans who were members of the RIC. Two that I know of are William Kirwan, who joined in 1861 aged 20 - he was from Kings County - I have a photocopy of the page of the registration book, but it is difficult to make out. It appeard he was posted to Kilkenny, where I believe he met and married a Catherine Roberts. He then moved to Wexford. There are a number of entries in the columns relating to promotions and pension details, but I can't see them clearly. It also doesn't tell you where in Kings County he was from. I believe this William Kirwan's son, Stephen, also became a member of the RIC, and was posted to Dublin, where he appears on the 1911 census.
Is there any way of finding out what is written in the columns about promotions/moves and pension details without going to Kew? The film number is 856063, and page number 135c I think. Would there be any record of his home town?
I am also aware of a Richard Kirwan who was in the RIC,...